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[Chappo]

I cant help but think you should have waited for the new 10 mate, adaptive suspension, 200+HP, full brembo's, gyroscopic traction control, & a head light

if that's the spec the R1 wont last long lol 

[michael4012]

Chappo I can't help but think Kawasaki were holding back on a new 10 because of the price of the current 10; but with all the competition being 15K + they will in conjunction with the new WSB rules they decided it would sell, it'll have the shifter of the H2 as well dude. That means from 1st gear keep the lever down & it'll change up itself threw the gears just on the limiter hold Fuck do you know how fast that will be

[Matt83]

I was tempted with the new R1 myself, although I'd keep my 04 zx10 still. I had a 2013 big bang R1 and it was outstanding; the sound, the power, the handling. The new one has more power, less weight and in my opinion looks stunning, whereas Kawasaki have stayed conservative with the new 10, Yamaha gave us something new and that's what it's all about.
For the price of the 2016 gen5 zx10, I can't help but think you'd build a better bike by buying a used gen 4 and spending money on wheels and tuning and a paint job etc.

[michael4012]

I was tempted with the new R1 myself, although I'd keep my 04 zx10 still. I had a 2013 big bang R1 and it was outstanding; the sound, the power, the handling. The new one has more power, less weight and in my opinion looks stunning, whereas Kawasaki have stayed conservative with the new 10, Yamaha gave us something new and that's what it's all about.
For the price of the 2016 gen5 zx10, I can't help but think you'd build a better bike by buying a used gen 4 and spending money on wheels and tuning and a paint job etc.

Much the same with all though, look at the current GSXR1000 you can get those for silly silly money if you through the 5-6G difference at it you get something all but the best cant keep with! If you take the previous R1 and through some cash at it its up there with the new 1, excluding the R1M. But mate if you take the 207 BHP Gen5 and dump all that emoissions and flash her over your gonna be near 220 BHP, cheaply as there is no full system to buy 

[BladeRR8]

The 207 is with ram air and measured at the crank.

I reckon a gen5 with be around 185-190 at the back tyre and can't see 220 being achievable with a decat and flash tbh.

[michael4012]

The 207 is with ram air and measured at the crank.

I reckon a gen5 with be around 185-190 at the back tyre and can't see 220 being achievable with a decat and flash tbh.

Making a 6% HP increase at the crank is easier than making the same difference on the wheel, the Ram Air effect will still be there, but made much more efficient when the timing retard to suit the emission is removed it can benefit greatly from the increased flow out of exhaust gases which is currently restricted to increase scavenging to meet tough emissions standards. Yupp she will be knocking on the door of 220.

[HammyUK]

If you believe that then you might want to go and do a little research...
Crank and rear wheel are MASSIVELY different.If you really think a normally aspirated 1000cc is going to reach that amount of power 
The ZZR1400 is 207 at the rear wheel.
The Full Factory MSS 1000cc engine I have puts out 193 at the rear wheel - bear in mind that is over £3k in rods/pistons alone without all the rest of the work/parts.
Got £8k for the engine work?
but you are never going to see 220 - you just won't.

[BladeRR8]

Totally agree 220 is never happening with a decat and power commander.

220 is what the crt Aprilla Motogp bikes were putting out only 2 or 3 years ago.

[Matt83]

People are so obsessed with rear wheel horsepower...
Read any review of the Kawasaki H2. It's not mega bhp but the journo's write like they're riding the millennium falcon.

[HammyUK]

Totally agree 220 is never happening with a decat and power commander.

220 is what the crt Aprilla Motogp bikes were putting out only 2 or 3 years ago.

And all above 12-14k rpm - totally useless anywhere away from the track.
The MSS that i have - yes it has 193 at the rear wheel BUT it only has 86Nm of torque.
To put that in perspective - the standard engine puts out 174.9bhp and 85Nm of torque.
Its faster on every road I ride other than playing on the M'way or in germany on the autobahns.

[michael4012]

Book mark this thread You will see

[michael4012]

If you believe that then you might want to go and do a little research...
Crank and rear wheel are MASSIVELY different.If you really think a normally aspirated 1000cc is going to reach that amount of power 
The ZZR1400 is 207 at the rear wheel.
The Full Factory MSS 1000cc engine I have puts out 193 at the rear wheel - bear in mind that is over £3k in rods/pistons alone without all the rest of the work/parts.
Got £8k for the engine work?
but you are never going to see 220 - you just won't.

Iv been back over the thread and cant see any reference to 220 on the wheel just someone presuming that whats meant but it could never be as far as i know no one has had one on a dyno yet! But that's obviously because no ones got one yet And i got a gen3 with 196 on the back wheel and errr before you all go thats a pimped up dyno its a dyno the same as steve jordans which is very reserved the same dyno gave me a 182 on a stock engine for the same gen and when on Dave Woods it was 186 so if i put the now loosened up 196 on Dave Woods it would be over 200 on the back wheel. The gen5 engine is massively restricted by the latest emiisions you will get 220 by dumping all the emissions with a flash over this you will see (Quote from the special one) 

[HammyUK]

Sorry - but Steve Jordans dyno is well known for over-reading!
He was fined a while back by one of the race series organisers he was supposedly the "official" dyno for for playing with figures.
He was also taken to court by two race teams for engine and dyno work, with "before and after" traces when it turned out he hadn't touched either the engines or the ECU's - so I'd quit while you don't look too stupid on that one.
Take it to RJS - the same dyno that Bournemouth Kawasaki use for their race bikes - and by that I meant the ACTUAL dyno not the same "type" of dyno.
196? On a Gen 3?
Go on then - full break down of ALL the work and mods done.

You do realise that a dyno operator that knows their machine can make it show pretty much any reading they want - just by tweaking the braking drum, air density readings, temp settings, etc.
I've sat there while Ade has made mine read as low as 140'ish and over 200 just by changing the parameters its reading at.

The ONLY honest way - is the same dyno on the same day with identical settings before and after mods.

Oh and as for "Iv been back over the thread and cant see any reference to 220 on the wheel "

YOU were the one to mention 220 in relation to a GSXR!
Fucking Muppet 

[michael4012]

No where does anybody mention 220 on the back wheel and no where can I see that on this thread would you high light that, & don't come on throwing abuse "Fuck g Muppet" *? Who do you thi K you are? That is completely uncalled for! If had a a 169HP motor on Steve Jordan's the other dump 250 I was relative g too had it at 168 the torque figures were the same weather Jordan or not has been done is of on telavence here but you being abusive is! Who deserves that off you?

[HammyUK]

Making a 6% HP increase at the crank is easier than making the same difference on the wheel, the Ram Air effect will still be there, but made much more efficient when the timing retard to suit the emission is removed it can benefit greatly from the increased flow out of exhaust gases which is currently restricted to increase scavenging to meet tough emissions standards. Yupp she will be knocking on the door of 220.

You should learn to read your own posts.

And the fact Jordans been done is VERY relevant seeing as you used him as the point for YOUR measurement of 182 stock on the same dyno stating that its a conservative dyno.
Jordans is not - its one of the worst out there and its why not one of the race series allows him to be used.

Oh - and abuse? No - a statement. If you think those figures are ever going to stack up then a muppet you are - but hey, its your money