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[alien.46.uk]

Remove it bounce it off the floor cant do you for damaging your own stuff 

Hmm ... If it's a system like the POV, you'd have to ask em to give you half hour whilst you go hide behind a tree with a hammer. Them things can be droped, thrown and driven over without it damaging the memory card. Cant remember if its waterproof though, that that'll be the quickest way to kill the card. Or just sneakily take it out and say you obviously forgot to put one in and how you feel oh so stupid now ... honest!

[Wh|t3R@bb|t]

Sorry....always late to arrive at the party.

Basically, my understanding of law is....the police can detain you and any other people they believe are connected with any crime and can also seize any goods, equipment or machinery.  Hence the term, I am arresting you "on suspicion of..." as it technically innocent until proven guilty. But once the investigation is carried out, and all evidence presented you will either be charged tby the charging officer (normally the duty/desk seargeant) or released without charge.  If charged, you will then go to court where again, all evidence will be provided and convicted (or not).

Therefore, the law does and will extend to the use of recording equipment should the officer at the time believe there is evidence contained within it to support the respective charge.

However, my view would be that you must have been commiting or duly suspected of commiting a crime in order for them to seize the camera and use it against you in a court of law.  Otherwise the police could walk up to you standing by your bike having a coffee and go, can I see you camera please to see if you done anything wrong so I can then nick you. 

From what I understand, any charges that have been brought to people on say YouTube etc have been exceptionally hard to prove (some have been succesful though), as the evidence shows speedo, tank, road etc but does not show any incriminating evidence as to who the rider was.  Whereas, you being pulled with the camera strapped to your bike is clearly identifiable as YOU!!!

If you gonna record yourself, like the others said.....ensure there is no way they could prove a) your where speeding (so no speedo), b) it doesn't show you + c) doesn't show numberplate or identifiable marks on the bike, d) doing anything that will get your stopped whilst the camera is mounted to the bike.

[dazman]

Sorry....always late to arrive at the party.

Basically, my understanding of law is....the police can detain you and any other people they believe are connected with any crime and can also seize any goods, equipment or machinery.  Hence the term, I am arresting you "on suspicion of..." as it technically innocent until proven guilty. But once the investigation is carried out, and all evidence presented you will either be charged tby the charging officer (normally the duty/desk seargeant) or released without charge.  If charged, you will then go to court where again, all evidence will be provided and convicted (or not).

Therefore, the law does and will extend to the use of recording equipment should the officer at the time believe there is evidence contained within it to support the respective charge.

However, my view would be that you must have been commiting or duly suspected of commiting a crime in order for them to seize the camera and use it against you in a court of law.  Otherwise the police could walk up to you standing by your bike having a coffee and go, can I see you camera please to see if you done anything wrong so I can then nick you. 

From what I understand, any charges that have been brought to people on say YouTube etc have been exceptionally hard to prove (some have been succesful though), as the evidence shows speedo, tank, road etc but does not show any incriminating evidence as to who the rider was.  Whereas, you being pulled with the camera strapped to your bike is clearly identifiable as YOU!!!

If you gonna record yourself, like the others said.....ensure there is no way they could prove a) your where speeding (so no speedo), b) it doesn't show you + c) doesn't show numberplate or identifiable marks on the bike, d) doing anything that will get your stopped whilst the camera is mounted to the bike.

I will just have to watch what im doing when recording, and turn it off . if i want a blast !!!   

So even if i got pulled, they have nothing to do me for !!!!   





 

[faulksie]

I would of course, whatever, firstly protest my innocence. You could also use the camera footage to your advantage.. 

If you had been riding like a right twat, and your arrested, make sure you mention the camera they had seized in interview so its on record.  You could then use the footage in court, but because you will have only recorded sensible riding on it. (Just make sure you have only recorded sensible riding LOL) the footage then becomes part of your defence. 

Video could also be used to prove you were not at fault, in an accident where its one persons word against the other. 

[Ergo]

I often ride with a side mounted camera, as said above, it can work to your advantage, we were chased last year for SFA, we were going through a small village in Derbyshire, staying behind a transit van at 30mph, as soon as the road changed to a 50 zone we overtook it, P*g appeared from nowhere, 4 of us pulled over and 3 said "F*ck this" and outran & lost the P*g, my point being I reviewed the footage over and over and had we been pulled over I had overwhelming evidence we had done nothing wrong.
Also don't we have something similar to the Americans pleading the 5th amendement & a right not to incriminate ourselves, therefore  siezing our footage would be violating our right not to incriminate ourselves.
No legal expert, just my thoughts.

On a similar note I had enquired as to getting a GPS tracker fitted, after going to their webpage and looking at what info you are giving out every time you ride the bike I decided it was a no-no.
Anyone wants to check this stuff out go to www.mototrak.net go to the login button, use 'moto' as username & password, click on '0001demo', click on a date on the calendar on the right of the screen, look at what it throws out, {time, distance, average speed etc} then click 'show route on map' . The map has different coloured arrows showing your speed at every 1 minute interval.
If this were available to the P*gs we would be truly screwed. {If our throttle slipped  that is}. Then again, are they legally allowed to access this information ?
Cheers Ergo

[Wh|t3R@bb|t]

.....Also don't we have something similar to the Americans pleading the 5th amendement & a right not to incriminate ourselves, therefore  siezing our footage would be violating our right not to incriminate ourselves.
No legal expert, just my thoughts.

Firstly..."pleading the 5th"  is another way of saying " I have the right to remain silent".  Nothing more.

Secondly, the point about not having to incriminate yourselves.  This was tested ages ago, by European Court of Human Rights and was dismissed.  A people challenged the Notice of INtended Prosecution saying "I have the right to not admit it was me driving as to not incriminate myself".  But it was deemed to be a fair and accurate way of admitting guilt.

Otherwise, you would never admit to anything despite knowing your guilty.  You can but when you found guilty, you're f**ked!

And I refer to my first post about only seizing stuff if they believe you have committed an offence.  And yes, in your case you could have proved your innocence.  The door swings both ways.

[Dale]

Aside from the whole speeding or irresponsible riding thing, there is actually another way that the Filth can probably seize you camera, and that is under anti-terrorism laws that were brought in after 9-11.

There have been several instances where cops have used the anti-terror laws to search vehicles without warrants, which they used to need.  There have also been cases where photographers have had there cameras confiscated or told to refrain from taking photos in town centres etc...........if a copper wanted to be a complete bastard, and saw the camera on the bike, he could probably seize it or at least look through the footage, even if you have not commited a motoring offence, by using the anti-terror powers.

[Nutz]

I often ride with a side mounted camera, as said above, it can work to your advantage, we were chased last year for SFA, we were going through a small village in Derbyshire, staying behind a transit van at 30mph, as soon as the road changed to a 50 zone we overtook it, P*g appeared from nowhere, 4 of us pulled over and 3 said "F*ck this" and outran & lost the P*g, my point being I reviewed the footage over and over and had we been pulled over I had overwhelming evidence we had done nothing wrong.
Also don't we have something similar to the Americans pleading the 5th amendement & a right not to incriminate ourselves, therefore  siezing our footage would be violating our right not to incriminate ourselves.
No legal expert, just my thoughts.

On a similar note I had enquired as to getting a GPS tracker fitted, after going to their webpage and looking at what info you are giving out every time you ride the bike I decided it was a no-no.
Anyone wants to check this stuff out go to www.mototrak.net go to the login button, use 'moto' as username & password, click on '0001demo', click on a date on the calendar on the right of the screen, look at what it throws out, {time, distance, average speed etc} then click 'show route on map' . The map has different coloured arrows showing your speed at every 1 minute interval.
If this were available to the P*gs we would be truly screwed. {If our throttle slipped  that is}. Then again, are they legally allowed to access this information ?
Cheers Ergo

Fook me that mototrak system looks good, you move it from vehicle to vehicle too