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[truescot]

Tony,

Enlightening, and very interesting reading. I am left puzzled however, if caliper pistons are essentially the root cause (which I can completely appreciate), why would a Brembo m/cyl make so much difference - as others lead me to believe?

It sounds like ZZR1400 calipers may be a better solution?

Martin.

its because the brembo m/c moves more fluid around meaning even if there is a bit of fade your lever doesnt come all the way back to the bar

[JayJ]

Lovely bikes (i have an 05 c1h, up for sale in the for sale section)

Great to ride, nice and fast, great handling. Quite comfortable for a sportsbike (escpecially considering im 6'2"). Definately recommend it if anyone wants a 600 for the taller person.

Absolute hoot to ride.

[Jon177]

The difference between the braking performance is down to the thinner pistons in the ten's calipers, even though from the outside they look the same and have same mastercylinder as 6r b1h's. only diff from 04/05- 06/07 ten is the colour. kawi put radial m/c on 06/07 to help problem by moving more fluid...b1h calipers have similar thickness pistons as new type nissin calipers fitted to 07/08 zx6r & zzr1440. now also those nissins come in silver on new z1000 which have same m/c as 06/07 ten but no complaints from them as its the calipers which make all the difference....
 Have had all three types of calipers in my hand and fitted to my bikes so this isn't a 'what i've heard' kind of blurb...
Saving weight by thinner pistons but  heat up faster and transfer more heat to fluid = fade. i think kawi realised after they ordered thousands of calipers from tocrapico and after testing noted problem thats why oe ten pads have radiator plates on back of them like ebc HH's to help disperse heat whereas oe b1h pads don't (obv not needed)
heavier weight and higher speeds compound the problem.

just my blurb anyway.....

 

[tony83]

Tony,

Enlightening, and very interesting reading. I am left puzzled however, if caliper pistons are essentially the root cause (which I can completely appreciate), why would a Brembo m/cyl make so much difference - as others lead me to believe?

It sounds like ZZR1400 calipers may be a better solution?

Martin.

its because the brembo m/c moves more fluid around meaning even if there is a bit of fade your lever doesnt come all the way back to the bar

Roger that....

[slapknacker]

cheers guys, i wasn't asking about brakes thow, the clue was in the title of the post .

here is my 2ps worth on the brakes. ok brembo does the job for sure.

regarding pistons in the caliper, the 04/05 10r's are flat topped, the o7 zx6r or zx14r
pistons are dome topped. so a dome has more surface area than a circle ( flat topped piston )
so more area on the piston for a given pressure gives more force to the pads i belive.

so there you have it.


think i'l be looking for a zx6r 03-05 in the new year, buying a new house aswell and herself wants
some new shoes as usual etc etc etc.