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[truescot]

the moral of this story appears to be dont admit to anything especially before they ask you about it http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/oxfordshire/7679739.stm

oh and some cage drivers are complete nosey interfering bastards

[HammyUK]

Shouldn't of been allowed. If he'd of kept his mouth shut they couldn't of done a thing. TOOL!!!!

[truescot]

yea, even if the police had found it on youtube (in which case they are wasting a lot of time browsing the thing when they could be out catching bike thiefs) he would just have to say "i knew i shouldnt have lent my bike to ghost rider" and all woulda been ok, but no, the numpty squeeled like a pig at the mere sight of the pigs.

but that car driver(i am of course assuming it was a car driver) deserve a kicking

[twostrokes]

another member of the public put in jail for what he could have done, ie injured someone or hurt someone not for the fact that he didnt hurt a sole.

Think about it, what is next, prison for smoking, which could kill us all, prison for getting drunk because you might get in a car and drive and maybe kill thousands of people....

The law in this country is totally warped....the courts are so far removed from the reality of life that its getting ridiculous...soon all bikers will be in jail...a minority group with no powers...the Uk is completely fooked and putting some one in jail for doing nothing other than having fun, which could have hurt someone but did not is nuts...

And to say the roads are for a public transport system means that next you will get fined for going for a ride without purpose, the roads are not there to have fun on they are a public transportation system...communism here we come...fooking mad totally fooking mad

[r1ninja]

stupid boy

[truescot]

another member of the public put in jail for what he could have done, ie injured someone or hurt someone not for the fact that he didnt hurt a sole.

Think about it, what is next, prison for smoking, which could kill us all, prison for getting drunk because you might get in a car and drive and maybe kill thousands of people....

The law in this country is totally warped....the courts are so far removed from the reality of life that its getting ridiculous...soon all bikers will be in jail...a minority group with no powers...the Uk is completely fooked and putting some one in jail for doing nothing other than having fun, which could have hurt someone but did not is nuts...

And to say the roads are for a public transport system means that next you will get fined for going for a ride without purpose, the roads are not there to have fun on they are a public transportation system...communism here we come...fooking mad totally fooking mad

well, i agree with 99% of what you say but theres always an exception to the rule, how do you feel about drunk drivers? is it ok for them to have fun risking other peoples lives as long as no-one gets hurt???  I personally think the drunk drivers should get a much higher penalty than this guy did (i have to, i dont drink and drive but i do plenty of high speed runs and stunts )

[HammyUK]

 

Middle lane crawlers, outside lane hoggers, rolling a fag whilst driving a 40t HGV ( no I'm not kidding!), OOH its a roundabout but I don't know which lane I want to be so I'll use them all, and any number of others.
They need to focus on the general and clean up the standard of driving in genral not target the minority. But that doesn't gets the headlines or the pat on the back from the boss/DCI/Twat does it?
Look at the test for a starter - we have stepped licenses, horrendous, insurance, power limits, etc. What do the cages get? Fook all. There you go sir - 1 M3, we don't mind so long as you can pay the insurance. Or 1 saxo with nice wide wheels, and 3 mates in it wrapped round a tree because he'd never driven at night before. Or .................... the list goes on.
The probelm is that as a whole, we can never get together and stand up for ourselves - look at the feckin Ramblers who fucked up our right to greenlane because they didn't like it. MCN ran a big campaign and everyone did fuck all about it. There are enough motorcyclists to make a difference but no-one seems to unite and stand up anymore.
Bring back the 60's - we stuck together then for a good cause (mind you we were kicking the shit out of Mods on Brighton Beach  )

[twostrokes]

got to agree hammy, 112,000 ramblers fooked a hundred years of green lane law so that they and only they, could walk on the greenlanes...no bikers, no cars no cyclists, no horses, they want the lot banned. total twats...ifever a group needed shooting this is it...

as for bikers we are all hells angels fucking everyones wifes and women raping each other and running beer swilling dens...fook, someone tell me where I want to join....

The country is totally messed up, the drink driver thing is a whole different argument,  but GENERALLY  they dont go to jail for it mostly and they dont get a 2 year ban mostly and they dont have to re take their test mostly...told you before the law is fooked....

a drink driver is no longer under control of his actions, it is pointless to put him in jail, it is pointless to ban him, it is pointless ruining his life too, even if he has caused an accident.  he should be made to pay for his silliness in other ways...society is not helped by putting someone in jail...if you believe that then you are missing the point...rehabilitation is the only way....the only way if we want to bring people back into society...jail ruins peoples lives and does not help them back into society...

oops getting on soap box sorry

[HammyUK]

I'll move over and you can stand on mine

[pinky]

Middle lane crawlers, outside lane hoggers, rolling a fag whilst driving a 40t HGV ( no I'm not kidding!), OOH its a roundabout but I don't know which lane I want to be so I'll use them all, and any number of others.
They need to focus on the general and clean up the standard of driving in genral not target the minority. But that doesn't gets the headlines or the pat on the back from the boss/DCI/Twat does it?
Look at the test for a starter - we have stepped licenses, horrendous, insurance, power limits, etc. What do the cages get? Fook all. There you go sir - 1 M3, we don't mind so long as you can pay the insurance. Or 1 saxo with nice wide wheels, and 3 mates in it wrapped round a tree because he'd never driven at night before. Or .................... the list goes on.
The probelm is that as a whole, we can never get together and stand up for ourselves - look at the feckin Ramblers who fucked up our right to greenlane because they didn't like it. MCN ran a big campaign and everyone did fuck all about it. There are enough motorcyclists to make a difference but no-one seems to unite and stand up anymore.
Bring back the 60's - we stuck together then for a good cause (mind you we were kicking the shit out of Mods on Brighton Beach  )

Sorry to put even more of a downer on things but the European parliment is looking at reviewing the multi directive that was beaten back in the 90's this includes 100bhp limit (which i believe france already has please correct me if i am wrong) anti tamper laws ie we wont be able to tune our bikes there are other things too.

[HammyUK]

Thats fine if they apply it to all license's and vehicles - thats my point.
They don't and its the new drivers thats kill their mates or "don't see you" or cut you up. Not to mention the dosy twats who sit in the middle lane or don't see anything but the end of their bonnets, etc.
The "tuned" cars that are dangerous.
They won't get it through as the aftermarket industry is worth millions per year - nore than the manufacturers sales of new bikes and cars. So I think that will get beaten again.
I just think that they should apply things level across the board- my argument is that they don't and because as bikers we're about as united as chocolate and fire we will be the ones to get shafted not the cage drivers who will get together through the press, clubs, etc. Fuck me even the daily toilet papers have motoring columns, but you'll rarely see bikes in any of them so when they threaten them who'll get the backing?

[pinky]

Thats fine if they apply it to all license's and vehicles - thats my point.
They don't and its the new drivers thats kill their mates or "don't see you" or cut you up. Not to mention the dosy twats who sit in the middle lane or don't see anything but the end of their bonnets, etc.
The "tuned" cars that are dangerous.
They won't get it through as the aftermarket industry is worth millions per year - nore than the manufacturers sales of new bikes and cars. So I think that will get beaten again.
I just think that they should apply things level across the board- my argument is that they don't and because as bikers we're about as united as chocolate and fire we will be the ones to get shafted not the cage drivers who will get together through the press, clubs, etc. Fuck me even the daily toilet papers have motoring columns, but you'll rarely see bikes in any of them so when they threaten them who'll get the backing?

there are people fighting against these things but I got slated on a different forum for passing on info about legislation that was/is coming through.

[HammyUK]

They fight for the wrong things when it comes to bikes though Pinky. I'm not slating you on this people need to know. Th powers that be have a nasty habit of publising certain legisaltion to fire people up and sliding other nastier shit in underneath - car tax is a classic. Here's the new super high one for the gas guzzlers( but don't look while we introduce another middle one while no one is looking )

[Andy J]

certainly an interesting debate

[pinky]

I know your not slating me hammy    what are the things they should be fighting for/against though?  and how many people know about these things early enough to shout about it and how many bikers are willing to shout withe the people that know?