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[twostrokes]

anybody that brings up the kids argument is just plain annoying....no one would like to see their or anyones kid killed, no one would like to see anyone killed I suggest on here....

Deaths happen and mostly they are the fault of the pedestrian and mostly becuase the driver is not looking...there are a lot of car drivers who should realistically not be o n the road in this high pressure society but I would never want to ban those people....

Imagine death free roads...how damn boring, electronically controlled speeds in all vehicles, radar activated braking systems, GPS monitoring and control systems....the future is bleak guys...it is coming and its all because of the small minded idiots that think a childs life is not worth our freedom, well I do...and so do 100 million people who died in the 20th century fighting for freedom...

every new law destroys our freedom....every new restriction reduces our freedom and all in the interests of saving a few lives and remember it is a minute amount of lives compared to the population and to the people who have died trying to give us these freedoms...think about it...the Law and prison and speeding tickets are not what the people fought for...the fought for freedom...freedom from persecution, freedom to go about our way of life how we want to...within socially acceptable bounds of course...but then thats a whole other argument...

Am off my soap box now...still say this country is fooked

[Black10R]

anybody that brings up the kids argument is just plain annoying....no one would like to see their or anyones kid killed, no one would like to see anyone killed I suggest on here....

Deaths happen and mostly they are the fault of the pedestrian and mostly becuase the driver is not looking...there are a lot of car drivers who should realistically not be o n the road in this high pressure society but I would never want to ban those people....

Imagine death free roads...how damn boring, electronically controlled speeds in all vehicles, radar activated braking systems, GPS monitoring and control systems....the future is bleak guys...it is coming and its all because of the small minded idiots that think a childs life is not worth our freedom, well I do...and so do 100 million people who died in the 20th century fighting for freedom...

every new law destroys our freedom....every new restriction reduces our freedom and all in the interests of saving a few lives and remember it is a minute amount of lives compared to the population and to the people who have died trying to give us these freedoms...think about it...the Law and prison and speeding tickets are not what the people fought for...the fought for freedom...freedom from persecution, freedom to go about our way of life how we want to...within socially acceptable bounds of course...but then thats a whole other argument...

Am off my soap box now...still say this country is fooked

Nice speech & very well put 

[scooby]

so whats a life worth to you?is it worth less than a 20/30 speed limit ?

do you think making people slow down in areas that are high risk (schools,crossings,built up areas etc...) is  bad thing


just to quote this bit as i'm not sure who's fault your trying to say it is,pedestrain,motorist or just everyones

Deaths happen and mostly they are the fault of the pedestrian and mostly becuase the driver is not looking...there are a lot of car drivers who should realistically not be o n the road in this high pressure society but I would never want to ban those people....

and also a lot of bike riders.

[Black10R]

so whats a life worth to you?is it worth less than a 20/30 speed limit ?

do you think making people slow down in areas that are high risk (schools,crossings,built up areas etc...) is  bad thing


just to quote this bit as i'm not sure who's fault your trying to say it is,pedestrain,motorist or just everyones

Deaths happen and mostly they are the fault of the pedestrian and mostly becuase the driver is not looking...there are a lot of car drivers who should realistically not be o n the road in this high pressure society but I would never want to ban those people....

and also a lot of bike riders.

It's quite obviously aimed at all the dopey fooks that don't take enough care of themselves, to be even let out of the house, whether there on 2 legs, 2 wheels, or in 4. You can have all the laws restricting everbodys freedom, all the time but........ you can't legislate against carelessness & stupidity like the 60% of the dozey fikkers that are out to kill you, or themselves, every minute of every day.
  Take the other day for instance i was trickling up to a pelican crossing, following a blond tart in a 206 doing about 25mph, there were already 2 people walking on the crossing but did she see them ? did she f**k straight over it, leaving the 2 pedestrians gobsmacked in disbelief, shaking there heads & me shaking mine as they crossed in front of me.

[scooby]

exactly,you cant legislate for dumb fucks on the road,be they road users or pedestrians.the point being though,30/20 limits are there for a reason,as there is a greater risk of injury to other people.cant see what all the fuss is about.the guy rode like a knob,got caught several times and got what he deserved,in fact very lucky imo.

but hey for all those that dont see the harm in it,carry on 

[Fat Tony]

Not all 30 zones deserve to be 30 zones

I got done in Trafford Park Industrial Estate ffs - no pedestrians, no schools, no kids, no hospitals. no care homes and a 4 lane carriageway and it's 30mph max

Almost like they were catching people specifically to bump up the conviction rates and the revenue ...

[twostrokes]

a childs life is worth fook all, I think the government values a childs life at around 3,000 pounds....I value freedom a darn site more than that...at least 100million lives more...

the point is not specific, the 30mph or the 70mph limit is not the issue, and the death of a child is virtually 90% the childs fault, or the parents for not having them under control  (who does have their children under control)...the vast majority of other accidents are the fault of not paying attention..(my previous words were a bit ambiguos sorry)...most 30 mph speed limits are associated with the noise issue but they bring up the safety issue first...(especially if a child has been killed) as if the life of one person matters over the 60 million that are affected by the rullings...the point is laws are an impostion upon typically the law abiding people....not the unlawful who totally ignore the rules anyway...

The death of a child is important to the family and not to the population...the death of an adult may have more widespread effect but in the end they are minor issues to the population...what does affect every single one of us is pointless rules that criminalise virtually all of us, pointless involvement in our lifes that has little to do with safety or sensibility but more to do with population control...and as was said...the law does nothing to stop the real crooks, idiots and nutters out there...

But as I said bringing up the death of a child (150 odd killed last year by the way) is annoying and has little to do with a reasoned argument on road safety or speed limits.

The country is fooked I say it again...

[john.658]

The main reason for 20/30 mph limits in built up areas is that there is a much greater risk of pedestrians or other motorists having a collision due to more activity in that area, nothing really to do with noise.
 Also the very young and very old do not have the same perception of speed, i.e. they may think it is safe to step out onto a road when a vehicle is approaching when it is really bearing down on them at 30mph or more.
Surely there is enough track time available and plenty roads that are more suited to winding the throttle back than along a high street.
The type of riding this clown displayed is giving plod and the Gov. all the ammo they need to come down un us even harder. We'll end up eroding our privileges away from within.
Apply some common sense and we'll keep our freedom for a lot longer.   

[Shongololo]

a childs life is worth fook all, I think the government values a childs life at around 3,000 pounds....I value freedom a darn site more than that...at least 100million lives more...

the point is not specific, the 30mph or the 70mph limit is not the issue, and the death of a child is virtually 90% the childs fault, or the parents for not having them under control  (who does have their children under control)...the vast majority of other accidents are the fault of not paying attention..(my previous words were a bit ambiguos sorry)...most 30 mph speed limits are associated with the noise issue but they bring up the safety issue first...(especially if a child has been killed) as if the life of one person matters over the 60 million that are affected by the rullings...the point is laws are an impostion upon typically the law abiding people....not the unlawful who totally ignore the rules anyway...

The death of a child is important to the family and not to the population...the death of an adult may have more widespread effect but in the end they are minor issues to the population...what does affect every single one of us is pointless rules that criminalise virtually all of us, pointless involvement in our lifes that has little to do with safety or sensibility but more to do with population control...and as was said...the law does nothing to stop the real crooks, idiots and nutters out there...

But as I said bringing up the death of a child (150 odd killed last year by the way) is annoying and has little to do with a reasoned argument on road safety or speed limits.

The country is fooked I say it again...

Yes I agree on the kids etc but it would help keep the immegrant population down.


Everybody lighten up.

He is a knob for being caught, I respect the 30mph zones and suprised at how many people actually do. The ones that don't are normaly the ones who have something to prove and show off to an audience. people that don't have mates to show off to.

It's not big.

[twostrokes]

The main reason for 20/30 mph limits in built up areas is that there is a much greater risk of pedestrians or other motorists having a collision due to more activity in that area, nothing really to do with noise.
 Also the very young and very old do not have the same perception of speed, i.e. they may think it is safe to step out onto a road when a vehicle is approaching when it is really bearing down on them at 30mph or more.
Surely there is enough track time available and plenty roads that are more suited to winding the throttle back than along a high street.
The type of riding this clown displayed is giving plod and the Gov. all the ammo they need to come down un us even harder. We'll end up eroding our privileges away from within.
Apply some common sense and we'll keep our freedom for a lot longer.   

actually, the most cited reason by the villages is the noise, there are very small numbers of accidents through villages, they cite accidents because it has a bit more leverage...although if you read my points I am not talking about speed limits in built up areas.   

And unless I am very much mistaken bikers have no more priveleges than any other road user...

And hey this is a debate so I  dont think it is getting heavy...its time for people to put their views...lets hear what people think thats the way to get progress...but hopefully without laws...

[john.658]

Not having a pop twostrokes, opinions should be heard, makes for a good debate. 

Most accidents are caused by a mixture of excessive  speed and inexperience though. Stands to reason if we attract the wrong type of attention from plod and big brother then the result will be more targeted regional and national 'safety campaigns'.

You're right privileges was a poor choice of word, but although villages and towns do complain about noise, the speed limits are there for safety reasons.

cheers   

[twostrokes]

john sorry...nor am I,  just debating...love it,  so sorry if I came across heavy...its just my pros style, can seem a bit abrupt...

[john.658]

 No probs pal, anyway, I am married and have 5 sisters. so have become pretty thick skinned!!!!!!!!!!!!

In fact I often run out in front of speeding traffic in built up areas for a break from the above 

[twostrokes]

how about this for a fact....in 1875  yes the 19th century 1589 people were killed on the roads...and this was at the time of the red flag rule, ie 2mph in towns 4 mph in country and with a bloke carrying a red flag in front...

This is why I laugh at the 30mph and 20 mph speeds, they are pure crap...they do not reduce accidents, only training and more training, along with better road designs and better seperation of cars and pedestrians, in 2005 the lowest number ever of pedestrians was killed, ie 671...this may seem a high number but it is miniscule and as I have said before the vast majority of the accidents are shown to be the pedestrians fault...but yet all we see is 20mph limits....

the crap about children not getting killed at 30mph is poppy cock, even 20mph is likely to kill them but it beggars beliefe that in 1875 witha 4mph maximum speed limit there were 1589 people killed.  I am not sure that the 30 and 20MPH speed limits actually has much evidence of reducing deaths...

[Black10R]

how about this for a fact....in 1875  yes the 19th century 1589 people were killed on the roads...and this was at the time of the red flag rule, ie 2mph in towns 4 mph in country and with a bloke carrying a red flag in front...

This is why I laugh at the 30mph and 20 mph speeds, they are pure crap...they do not reduce accidents, only training and more training, along with better road designs and better seperation of cars and pedestrians, in 2005 the lowest number ever of pedestrians was killed, ie 671...this may seem a high number but it is miniscule and as I have said before the vast majority of the accidents are shown to be the pedestrians fault...but yet all we see is 20mph limits....

the crap about children not getting killed at 30mph is poppy cock, even 20mph is likely to kill them but it beggars belief that in 1875 witha 4mph maximum speed limit there were 1589 people killed. I am not sure that the 30 and 20MPH speed limits actually has much evidence of reducing deaths...

They must of been trying out the new fangled horseless carriages as a new form of suicide. Still makes you wonder just how the hell they managed it though  There might of been 2 & 4 mph speed limits in force but i bet ya eveyone was screwing the tits off there 1/2 hp ZX1875R's