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[zxyogi]

Your all missing the point.  You have bikes because the invigorate you when you ride - sense of freedom, danger, challenge.

Alas, no german (ok, there are one or two exceptions) or Japenese cars achieve these things.    Only the italians do that imo.

ah ... but you miss my point.... I was luxery with performance ... I like to be able to bimble in style with all the gadgets ... but if some tit gets on my nerves have the power to leave him for dust....

I don;t want a performance car to dust anything round a track ... like you say thats what the bike is for..... I want a luxery electric memory seat not a carbon bucket seat....

bikes for going fast .... cars for cruising in style 

I'll get your pipe and slippers for you now 

  Even Moi aint ready for that yet and God forbid fOOking wont be!!! 

[Andy J]

loving my underpowered Vectra diesel because it does everyting except speed and 50mpg save's me money I don't have    Must admit that I still enjoy the odd blast in the Focus ST though 

[mc101]

Vectra diesel..........

My daily driver - does exactly what it says on the tin .. nowt wrong with that !