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[scooby]

tbh bc,if you dont know how to ride a thou,then the 636 will be quicker anyway.

[gopher]

It's a fair jump from inters to the fast group imho. The last time i was in inters i never got passed and felt i was being held up to the point of frustration    I know the fast group is safer (again imo) but you need to be ready to have some real quick lads passing at close quarters. Even after racing on the dirt for a few years i still found it hard to swallow how fast and close some people come past you. Once your used to it and as you get a bit quicker it becomes really enjoyable.   And personally i would not recomend going in the fast group for the first time at a small track. I did mine at pembrey it was mental !! 0.59's anyone  . Somewhere like silverstone would be a much better venue to see if you like the quicker group  

[GRNINJA]

The track 636 is one down and three up 

We were talking about him moving up and the only problem with being in fast group at the longer/faster tracks is that he'll be up against people who know how to use the thous instead of the ones who are fast because they have a litre bike (Do you know what I mean?)

Hence fast group for tracks such as Cadwell and Rockingham 

Sorry I disagree there ....... Mark MC101 knows how to ride a thou and his bike was poorly he jumped straight onto a 600 (admittedly a seton one) and he was still considerably faster than I was and I had 30 bhp on him

if you are able to ride fast enough to get past that many people then you are in the wrong group... even if you are the slowest person in the fast group you will still get a hell of a lot more out of being in the fast group rather than going round everyone.....  his lines were all off because alll he was doing was lining people up... in the fast group you get the lines right and you become faster .....

if there are club boys on big 170 bhp bikes then so what they will go round you.... its not a race he doesn't have anything to prove other than to have fun.... 

Rotax you too fast for that group mate come on son 

[gopher]

What you also have to bear in mind is other riders. It's not fair on people be it in inters or fast group to have to keep dealing with riders that are not up to a good safe pace for that group, Nor should slower riders have to have club racers steaming past them in the inters. I see Hotrax are changing the groups on some of their days they are using.....

  Nov/int
  Advanced
  Advanced/Acu

I wonder if this it to give the people who have to go in the advanced group, not because they are quick but just so they can say advanced if someone asks what group they where in 
I wonder if it makes any differance 

[GRNINJA]

It would be much better if we had longer days and

with 4 groups but still 20 mins a session

beg
int
adv
acu

easy really but days too short 

[gopher]

Yeh i agree mate. It is impossible to split 90 riders into 3 equal groups.

     Open pitlane 

[GRNINJA]

Yeh i agree mate. It is impossible to split 90 riders into 3 equal groups.

     Open pitlane 

but then you have just contradicted what you have just said mate

"It's not fair on people be it in inters or fast group to have to keep dealing with riders that are not up to a good safe pace for that group, Nor should slower riders have to have club racers steaming past them in the inters."

[gopher]

Not at all. Did we not just have 4 days of open pitlane in Spain not sure about you but i thought it felt like we had the track to ourselfs most the time. It worked perfectly

[GRNINJA]

Not at all. Did we not just have 4 days of open pitlane in Spain not sure about you but i thought it felt like we had the track to ourselfs most the time. It worked perfectly

with all fairness it only had about 4 beginners 

yeah it did work but most people were pretty fooking fast mate 

OPEN PIT LANE NO beginner 

[mc101]

What you also have to bear in mind is other riders. It's not fair on people be it in inters or fast group to have to keep dealing with riders that are not up to a good safe pace for that group,

If your running in the fast group then this is very rarely a problem.  If your 10 seconds a lap slower you will be easily passed by the quicker lads who will do it quickly, without hesitation and safely (albeit more closely than you maybe used too).  The issue with moving into the fast group is not so much related to your trackday speed, rather whether you actually have a clue as to where you should be on the track at a give point. 

Move up when you feel you need to progress -- you will not get faster by fighting traffic in the inters - and of course, everyone else looks on and thinks your trying to prove something by being in the wrong group

[gopher]

 A double edged sword eh

[mc101]

The track 636 is one down and three up 

We were talking about him moving up and the only problem with being in fast group at the longer/faster tracks is that he'll be up against people who know how to use the thous instead of the ones who are fast because they have a litre bike (Do you know what I mean?)

Hence fast group for tracks such as Cadwell and Rockingham 

Sorry I disagree there ....... Mark MC101 knows how to ride a thou and his bike was poorly he jumped straight onto a 600 (admittedly a seton one) and he was still considerably faster than I was and I had 30 bhp on him

if you are able to ride fast enough to get past that many people then you are in the wrong group... even if you are the slowest person in the fast group you will still get a hell of a lot more out of being in the fast group rather than going round everyone.....  his lines were all off because alll he was doing was lining people up... in the fast group you get the lines right and you become faster .....

if there are club boys on big 170 bhp bikes then so what they will go round you.... its not a race he doesn't have anything to prove other than to have fun.... 

Rotax you too fast for that group mate come on son 

Good point, I cut my teeth on 600's simply to learn about corner speed and late braking, moved to thousand's when I thought I maybe able to do one justice without it killing me and still had to learn a fair bit about getting the best from it.  Always good fun to go back to a 600 and remember how aggressive you can be with the throttle

[GRNINJA]

put me to shame 

[mc101]

A double edged sword eh

Maybe - but we all started/move on somewhere

The challenge is if your ducking and diving all over the place you'll never really learn the correct lines for the 600 ... latch onto a supersport rider in the fast group and you'll learn more in a session than you can possible imagine.

I still get the very capable Phil Seton to show me around (for as long as I can keep him in sight) once a year -- always great to learn from the really fast guys.

[GRNINJA]

got to agree with Mark there..... helped me loads