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[Andy J]

Well we all have to accept the consequences of our action, in my opinion speeding in a busy area like a 30 or 40 limit is far too risky but we all do it now and then, just look at this horrific story and the punishment for what you might read as a lapse, maybe they always tear along like this or maybe it was just a moment, either way these guys are having hude regrets now I guess  A very sad story for all concerned especially the family of the old lady who died as a result of their actions

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/gosport/Jail-for-speeding-bikers-after.3399665.jp

Take care all
Andy

[doug_zx10r]

So he rode along at over the limit and nothing happened, but he still got 21 months, a fine message that sends out.  The other rider killed someone, and he alone deserves the repercussions.  If the courts decided they weren't racing then all we have is two individuals in close proximity, I can't see how rider number one has anything to answer for, other than speeding, no wonder the prisons are full.

[Andy J]

yes 21 months for speeding with no proof except the video showing speed seems difficult to understand, and yes prisons are overcrowded with who exactly   

..............and then there was a traffic police progrma on TV the other night where there was shown a complete disrespect for the law by people who were caught repeatidly and people who were clearly looking for trouble with the police and all they seemed to get was a bit of a telling off. 

As much as it'll never be a perfect world there are some comparisons that you can make that beggar belief 

[Kermitisaninja]

[MajicKwak]

And then there's this

http://uk.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUKL2671562620071026

[Andy J]

[mongo]

Are you failing to see something here guys? These two idiots ended up killing an innocent person. While it was only one person that actually went into the granny they were both to blame, it was hardly an unpopulated area they were tearing through.... all the other articles that have been linked to, they havent caused death by dangerous driving and thats what these two got.

I can only imagine if there was a similiar case that other people would end up like these two, i would hope so too. They were riding wrecklessly and dangerously and that was proved by the outcome in that someone died as a result of the two guys on their bikes. If i was crossing the road in town and someone had gunned it up to 70mph, id be pretty pissed when crossing the road as well as to whether or not i could judge that and i know they were assuming their speed, but if they had been traveling at anything else and had good observations, they probably would of been able to spot the granny hazard.

What would the story be if it was two boy racers in chavved up saxos racing (if they could even hit 70mph), and knocked some granny down in the centre oftown, you would probably think that was outrageous, just because it was two bikers doesnt mean they were handed an unfair sentance, id expect any two people racing in the centre of town that caused a death by dangerous driving to be put away as well.

[Chrisblack10r]

 

sorry but if you break the law you have to accept the consquences of your own actions

but have to say like andy is saying it should be the same ruling for everyone regardless of status in the world

[zxyogi]

What would the story be if it was two boy racers in chavved up saxos racing (if they could even hit 70mph), and knocked some granny down in the centre oftown, you would probably think that was outrageous, just because it was two bikers doesnt mean they were handed an unfair sentance, id expect any two people racing in the centre of town that caused a death by dangerous driving to be put away as well.

Probably a lesser sentence!!......being a Biker always ups the stakes when the Law is involved!!!!!

[mongo]

What would the story be if it was two boy racers in chavved up saxos racing (if they could even hit 70mph), and knocked some granny down in the centre oftown, you would probably think that was outrageous, just because it was two bikers doesnt mean they were handed an unfair sentance, id expect any two people racing in the centre of town that caused a death by dangerous driving to be put away as well.

Probably a lesser sentence!!......being a Biker always ups the stakes when the Law is involved!!!!!

Are you being serious?!?!?! They took someones life through driving dangerously, doesnt matter if they were bikers or not! I think they were punished for taking no consideration for anyone else other than themselves, they took someones life it can not be brought back, fair enough they did not intend to, but through their dangerous driving they did.

Here are some non biker links for you, they all had longer jail time than the bikers apart from one i think:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/6290363.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/4873508.stm
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1258252006

[doug_zx10r]

The jury decided they weren't racing, so rider one was speeding, end of story.  Rider two killed the granny and must accept the consequences, end of story.  Why did granny cross the road when it wasn't safe to do so?  Unpalletable question as she's dead, but a valid question nonetheless, the judge said they were making noise, but I've not read that she was deaf.  Not all electric buggies are legal, never mind legal on the pavement, there is no mention of the status of the buggy.  I'd suggest that rider one was badly let down by his legal representative.

Do you honestly think if the first bike had slowed to the limit the second would have done likewise?  I've been riding long enough to know the answer is most likely to be no, he was on a six hundred showing he could beat the big bike.

[Andy J]

well in the end they were prosecuted for breaking the law and causing a death, a very sad story indeed for all concerned. I'm sure they never meant for that to happen.

I see it as a lesson to us all in what could happen, it doesn't have to be in a 30 limit either and a bit of bad luck or poor judgement can put anyone in a similar situation 

We can discuss our thoughts here but the judge and jury have the difficult decisions to make in cases like this afterall. 

[doug_zx10r]

 I also dislike the use of the term leather-clad, two riders wearing safety clothing doesn't quite work when selling newspapers does it?

[mongo]

The jury decided they weren't racing, so rider one was speeding, end of story.  Rider two killed the granny and must accept the consequences, end of story.  Why did granny cross the road when it wasn't safe to do so?  Unpalletable question as she's dead, but a valid question nonetheless, the judge said they were making noise, but I've not read that she was deaf.  Not all electric buggies are legal, never mind legal on the pavement, there is no mention of the status of the buggy.  I'd suggest that rider one was badly let down by his legal representative.

Do you honestly think if the first bike had slowed to the limit the second would have done likewise?  I've been riding long enough to know the answer is most likely to be no, he was on a six hundred showing he could beat the big bike.

Rider one was participating in the driving  dangerously he was driving dangerously as was leading with the second vehicle following with the inability to spot an upcoming hazard. The granny probbaly crossed the road because she wanted to get to the other side, thought it was safe to do so and didnt expect a vehicle to get there in half the amount of time it would usually take.

You just said they werent racing at the start, does it matter if he was trying to show he could beat the bigger bike? Alls that rider one would of had to do is close the throttle and travel at an appropriate speed according to the conditions, which they both failed to do so as they were so wound up in each other that they were failing to pay attention to their driving and the environment around them.

[doug_zx10r]

I wonder if she'd been in a Metro, and the biker had died, you'd have the same outlook.  Look right, look left, look right again, if the road's clear proceed, it's the process everyone should use, even pedestrians.

I didn't say they weren't racing, the jury did, and the judge is there to take note of the jury's decision, not apply his own views.