Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[scooby]

The problem comes when you do a comparison with say a small multivalve car.
A 1.4 can be manufactured and run for nearly 10yrs BEFORE it has the same impact as a Honda Prius BEFORE it EVER gets charged up for the first time to be used FFS!
The Lithium is dug up in the states, then transported to be purified - this takes MILLIONS in electricity to do, then shipped to china to be made into batteries, then shipped to Japan for building, along with all the alluminium, plastic, steel, etc.
Work out the air/sea miles of all that and tell me that they are "eco-friendly"

so i assume all the metal,plastic,composites in cars grow on trees?


no one is disagreeing that they aren't exactly zero emissions (as far as manufacturer goes) but must be a hell of a lot better than doing all of the above you have posted PLUS pumping out various poisoneus gases into out lungs.

reet then,wheres mi hemp lined leathers 

[Andy J]

[HammyUK]

so i assume all the metal,plastic,composites in cars grow on trees?


no one is disagreeing that they aren't exactly zero emissions (as far as manufacturer goes) but must be a hell of a lot better than doing all of the above you have posted PLUS pumping out various poisoneus gases into out lungs.

reet then,wheres mi hemp lined leathers 

Not saying that Scooby - take ALL of what it takes to make a normal small car and a peice of shite like the Prius or any of the "Zero Emissions" vehicles and we are still WAY ahead of the "green" cars because of how efficient they are now from EU regs.
Thats one of the things they "forget" to tell you about when they spout on about "green" or "zero" cars - utters bollocks.
Not only is htere the electricity to charge them - there is the batteries that run them - the biggest polluters of all in vehicles (apart from trains)

[scooby]

have to say i'm not big up on modern battery technology,but are the lithium-ion batteries as harmfull as lead/acid batteries? when they are disposed of?,i know they do last a hell of a lot longer.

[HammyUK]

Worse and the lead and the acid can both be remade into new batteries.
Li-on are lethal if not charged correctly - they explode! It takes massive amounts of energy to get it out of the ground and processed into something transportable let alone useable. It's a big bullshit circle that the greens have fed everyone and the eu have swallowed it.
Problem is when you look properly at the figures they don't add up.

[10RDan]

It's a big bullshit circle that the greens have fed everyone and the eu have swallowed it.
Problem is when you look properly at the figures they don't add up.

"Nail on head".  

Pretty much what I was saying. It is a multi billion pound industry, green industry, that has been "created" by governments,  and greens, world wide and they tax it !

We, as mankind, are not bigger than nature and the world has been heating up and cooling down since time began.

Ok, Jonnie polar bears' ice flow is getting smaller, sad in it's own way, but there is pretty much nothing we can do about it. Even if ALL our emissions have doubled or trebled, from the 4% that the whole world produces, are we going to stop ?

I don't think so.

As John Cleese once said, we would "cease to be" !

This topic has "got folk going". 

[roy]

quote: from a wise forum member... ( psg1 ) FUCK EM 

[Mark GVA]

 

[wing46]

I"ve read quite a lot articles in magazines about bikes of the future and looks of these bikes is not as i expected (bodywork looks shit) i cant imagine riding on bike without engine and exhaust sound!

[roxy]

with god knows how many cows farting and andy eating all the pies  who cares about emissions i`m going to build a small steam engine to fit my bike and all i`ll need to take with me is a saw so when it starts to run slow i`ll cut down a tree n stoke the burner again 

[roy]

  not a steem train but a steem ten 

[roxy]

 

not a steem train but a steem ten 

woooaaawooo

[scooby]

i cant imagine riding on bike without engine and exhaust sound!

you've obviously never ridden around with a coke can rammed under your mudgaurd then,now them where the days 

[wing46]

i cant imagine riding on bike without engine and exhaust sound!

you've obviously never ridden around with a coke can rammed under your mudgaurd then,now them where the days  

of course i"ve ridden riding on electric bike probably is like riding on vacuum cleaner,this video is the first steam bike i"ve ever seen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgKjW5eqZiw

[Wheeltrax]

This'll clear up the subject....

Quoted directly from a recent magazine article.

"Zero Emission?
To an extent thats right - there are no tailpipes and nos smoke. At least, there aren't on the actual bike.

The problem is, there are exhausts and smoke - plenty of it - from the power stations that feed electricity to the plugs you'll need tho charge your electric bike batteries.

Strangely, some of the best research to back this up comes not from climate change sceptics but from the green lobby itself.
Last year, a report in Germany commissioned and published by the World Wide Fund for Nature (WWF), showed that if German car buyers met its government targets of having one million electric cars on the roads by 2020, overall CO2 emmissions would drop by - wait for it - 0.1 percent. Worse still, that figure was reached with the assumption that the electricity would come from non-polluting sources  , while the truth is that most of Germany's electricity comes from coal fired power stations."

Like I said at the beginning of this thread electric vehicles are a dead end.